tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post112681867172578702..comments2023-10-23T11:47:30.979-07:00Comments on Life is Beautiful: To Restore the Pagoda treeSaravanahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11345361200604762150noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127744118546838912005-09-26T07:15:00.000-07:002005-09-26T07:15:00.000-07:00@Metlin - did anyone stop people kissing the kids ...@Metlin - did anyone stop people kissing the kids out of affection. Understand the kiss motivated by affection and the other motivated by lust. The later when displayed in public only becomes an act of sex. These things will only degrade the society, people who can't control their animal desires go about doing these kind of acts. It only reflects how poor a society is. I can't believe how much Kamasutra is misunderstood in the western world. Kamasutra is not a book on enjoying the carnal desires, whereas its a religion in itself, which has ethics built into it. Today the sex hungry world is using it to satisfy their animal instincts. What use is their explaining all these to infatuated people, these things need subtle understanding of Dharma. And anyone who doesn't understand dharma and acts controversial to it will only meet with sorrow.<BR/><BR/>Yes I do like the muslim ideas. I'm an follower of ALLAH, the great .... <BR/><BR/>Yes you can do anything as long as you understand what is culture, it should become a part of life. Once you know it everything that you do will be based on ethics, not stupid egoistical ramblings of mind.<BR/><BR/>Definitely you need a scientific way of defining things, I mean a language which is completely formed, which is not contradicting. Complexity is only a relative term. That case all the languages are complex.<BR/><BR/>Oh like Krish says ... look at things from an unbiased mindset. For me couples kissing in public definitely translates to SEX.Saravanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11345361200604762150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127623377535461282005-09-24T21:42:00.000-07:002005-09-24T21:42:00.000-07:00metlin,u said,"But of course, that would not stop ...metlin,<BR/><BR/>u said,<BR/><BR/>"But of course, that would not stop you from taking on the hypocritical attitude - I mean, Indians do not kiss, right? Especially when our temples themselves have enough and more nudes and eroticas"<BR/><BR/>I say:<BR/><BR/>watever be the concept, the extent to which u can understand depends on the way u view it ( take the analogy of sir Isaac newton who discovered gravitaional force here) . The nudes and eroticas when viewed with a plane of mind that seeks material pleasure (ignorant) can never understand the actual significance. If u are after lust, then for certain u would consider those paintings as erotica. The couple (in the yahoo article) when they were kissing out of lust ( an expression of earthly love) , which cannot be equated to divine love for god and that's y the priest got furious. The temple carvings were not carved to represent this material love but to symbolify how one should love god so that house-holders(people who indulge in the act of love) can easily understand. <BR/><BR/>You said<BR/><BR/>"There are aspects of some culture or the other that several people appreciate - that is a personal opinion, and them being great has no bearing on how I would perceive it."<BR/><BR/>I say:<BR/><BR/>U were perceiving things in an ignorant way as mentioned above, thats y u were not able to identify the subtle differences and hence i had to point it .<BR/><BR/>U Said :<BR/><BR/>"Yeah, I'm quite well aware of how oh-the-west thinks the Bhagavad Gita and several aspects of Hinduism are fantastic - but so do several Indians. What has this got to do with how the Brits are responsible for Indians not following it? Or how our culture "was destroyed" by them?"<BR/><BR/>Those things are actually in response to your perception of ancient india, <BR/><BR/>"Until the Brits came, we were a bunch of loosely connected people with no single common thread (except perhaps similarities in culture) with no fundamental infrastructure. We were given a universal infrastructure and we were united, and given the English language - without any of those, India might as well been down in the dumps as an underdeveloped nation rather than a even a developing nation. I'd pretty much call that being made to be civilized."<BR/><BR/>people who revered the bhagawat gita et al cannot be considered as "<BR/><BR/>"loosely connected people with no single common thread (except perhaps similarities in culture) with no fundamental infrastructure."<BR/><BR/>Indians were all united under bhakthi....<BR/><BR/>i can keep voicing out my opinions but unless until u have the un-biased mind to view it from the proper angle , u won't be able to make any sense out of it. so , i am restraining myselves at this point..krishnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15466495243942925052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127588731965523092005-09-24T12:05:00.000-07:002005-09-24T12:05:00.000-07:00Funny, how you say Indian philosophy gives utmost ...Funny, how you say Indian philosophy gives utmost freedom and in the very next line are up in arms just about two people kissing. <BR/><BR/>Btw, you crack me up. I said kissing, which is an act of affection, and you immediately equated an act of affection with sex. I mean, an eighty year old couple could kiss, that does not necessarily mean they're going to strip naked on the streets and start having sex.<BR/><BR/>The very fact that you perceive an act of affection and love to be sex shows your small mindedness - and the fact that you equate those shows how much you are unknowningly influenced by the puritan Muslims and the Victorians. And you talk about ancient Indian culture?<BR/><BR/>No, right and wrong is a cultural perception - and we were once an extremely open society, one which was known for its freedom of thought. Today, thanks to people like you who equate two people kissing with dogs having sex on the streets (and using crass language like fuck along the way), it's degenerated into a closed society. We once wrote Kamasutra and had such freedom of life, but today we're so closed and so conservative that it's disgusting.<BR/><BR/>I do not want anything to happen to the Indian philosophy, quite honestly, it's not my problem. I was offering an objective opinion, and your comments merely validated those. <BR/><BR/>Indian philosophy is definitely complicated, it is so complicated that people do whatever the hell they want and call it "Indian Culture" - a blanket excuse for doing whatever the hell they damn please. Right from ridiculous dress codes to stuck up practices.<BR/><BR/>And you're forgetting something - nobody wants a complete, scientific language. The idea of a language is to communicate, it's simplicity and elegance that matters. There is a reason why Latin and <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto" REL="nofollow">Esperanto</A> are also dead languages.<BR/><BR/>The western culture isn't as complex, but it's simple and straightforward. Sure, they don't have three million complex and ridiculous rules, but they have a handful that they adhere to. We have trouble respecting one another in civil conversation and on the streets, and we talk of culture. Bah.Metlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02285809167133345207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127536080163216472005-09-23T21:28:00.000-07:002005-09-23T21:28:00.000-07:00Metlin understand that Indian philosophy is the on...Metlin understand that Indian philosophy is the one which gives you the utmost freedom, I dont understand where we have the constraints. if you visualize it then they might be wrong perceptions.<BR/><BR/>You want to a culture where people can kiss on the streets and have sex in public is it ? ... go ahead and live that life ... no one is stopping you ... does anyone stop the dogs fucking on the roads.<BR/><BR/>Obviously we have something right and wrong, It is upto you to realize it. The philosophy and culture is only a guide. without a guide you would ruin yourself.<BR/><BR/>Seems like you know how a culture will die because of misinterpretation (as in the case of islam) so why do you want that to happen with the indian philosophy.<BR/><BR/>btw did I ever support this BJP, RSS and those pseudo hindu proclaimers.<BR/><BR/>indian philosophy is complicated like the sanskrit language. It is complete, scientific. not like the stupid English language and western culture which is incomplete, makes different sense at various places.Saravanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11345361200604762150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127531165278995362005-09-23T20:06:00.000-07:002005-09-23T20:06:00.000-07:00My point is that it was possible to live happily i...My point is that it was possible to live happily in a primitive era being that way, it would not be practical in this day and age.<BR/><BR/>No, being carnal has nothing to do with it. You have a few things fundamentally wrong - I wasn't even talking about material needs. I was talking about opportunity - the opportunity to work on things that you enjoy, the ability to do what you want to, the freedom to choose the path that catches your fancy. These are things that the Indian culture puts great constraints on, and these are aspects of the western culture that attracts folks.<BR/><BR/>If I want to be an archaeologist in India, I've almost little to no career option. Artist? Sculptor? What about marriage? Marrying someone I like? What about doing what I want to in life or at the moment? I mean, I can't even kiss someone I love on the streets? Do you know that I could be arrested for living with my girlfriend? <BR/><BR/>At every step, our culture has preset prejudices and unwritten rules on what is right and what is wrong. We've spent so much time being tied down to doing what we think and what is wrong that we've forgotten to stop for a moment and see <B>why</B> something is wrong. More often than not, the reason has been long forgotten and has been lost in the dreary practice of tradition and dogma.<BR/><BR/>No, we may have had a wonderful culture that worked a few hundred years ago, but today it should either blend in with other cultures and evolve or die out - beware, though. If it does not evolve and if it does not die, it will end up like Islam - a few radical idiots who follow age-old laws without a clue about how or why those laws were written. Worse yet, these laws will be interpreted in the worst possible way.<BR/><BR/>And you're seeing the same thing already happen, RSS and VHP take great pleasure in doing crass things to men and women on Valentine's Day in several cities.<BR/><BR/>No, the Western culture may not be the best of cultures, but it is like the English language - it is simple, practical and easy, and knows when to borrow a good thing or two if it sees one. On the other hand, the Indian culture is reminiscent of a dead language called Sanskrit. There is a reason the language died. And if we're not careful, the culture may not be far behind.Metlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02285809167133345207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127501696915496142005-09-23T11:54:00.000-07:002005-09-23T11:54:00.000-07:00@metlin - you say "In fact, you can become an asce...@metlin - you say <I>"In fact, you can become an ascetic and go to Dharmashala, nobody will stop you. You can stop caring for money and survive there if you are willing to make a few sacrifices."</I><BR/><BR/>Indian culture is all about living the way of ascetic having all the luxuries around. That is the way people lived happily for thousands of years. Read bhagavat gita and srimad bhagavatam for accounts of this philosophy. I didn't blame anyone, even if there was a small blame that is to show a point that we need to refine our present culture. hope you understand my point here.<BR/><BR/>Regarding this stronger culture, I would put my thoughts this way. Our human mind is always attracted towards the carnal things of life. We need determination at each and every point of time to maintain culture. what yu say.<BR/><BR/>@Ravi - You got great words dude.Saravanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11345361200604762150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127489076289984802005-09-23T08:24:00.000-07:002005-09-23T08:24:00.000-07:00You're mistaking the prevailing of a stronger cult...You're mistaking the prevailing of a stronger culture to imperialism. Agreed, that is sometimes a part of imperialism, but that is not the goal (i.e. White Man's Burden was just an excuse, gold, diamonds and trade was the real reason).<BR/><BR/>My point is this - if the other culture was not strong enough to spread and evolve, then what's wrong in it dying?Metlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02285809167133345207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127440697513427882005-09-22T18:58:00.000-07:002005-09-22T18:58:00.000-07:00grammar nazi,so are you saying people in the west ...grammar nazi,<BR/>so are you saying people in the west are devoid of all superstitious beliefs? Agreed there were superstitious beliefs and practices but what is being contemplated here is how our own native treasures were deliberately suppressed or destroyed by British.<BR/><BR/>metlin,<BR/>If choose to adopt a methodology from a different culture in lieu of my own then its the success of the civilization but if somebody is going to impose that civilization on me by deprieving me of my own, then its imperialism. Just read about what invaders (from Europe) did to native Americans (or the red Indians). Their tribes were discarded, they were forced to study in Christian missionary schools, forbidden to speak their native language or follow their native religion. What is this supposed to be? Now hasn't this lead to loss of a complete culture? <BR/><BR/>Arjuna, <BR/>Nobody is talking about the technological advancements but about age-old, traditional practices and knowledge which were deliberately suppressed.Ravihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09839374870799975670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127420550671858292005-09-22T13:22:00.000-07:002005-09-22T13:22:00.000-07:00Saravana Kumar: There is a fine difference between...Saravana Kumar: There is a fine difference between the philosophy of not caring, and practicality. In fact, you can become an ascetic and go to Dharmashala, nobody will stop you. You can stop caring for money and survive there if you are willing to make a few sacrifices. <BR/><BR/>Sure, you can not care a thing about material things and yet continue to do what you want, surrounded by gadgets - who or what is stopping you or any of the Indians today? That has nothing to do with the Brits (or the West). But you ought to realize that there is a fine line between greed and need, and we once drew the line - we lost it eons ago, even before the Brits ever even set foot.<BR/><BR/>You cannot not care and yet maintain a practical lifestyle - like you said - because at some point of time or the other, you will have to make certain choices that will conflict. <BR/><BR/>My point is, why do you blame the West for this?<BR/><BR/>Krishna: Whoa, dude - care to substantiate why I'm "ignorant" in the eyes of your holiness? There are aspects of some culture or the other that several people appreciate - that is a personal opinion, and them being great has no bearing on how I would perceive it.<BR/><BR/>Yeah, I'm quite well aware of how oh-the-west thinks the Bhagavad Gita and several aspects of Hinduism are fantastic - but so do several Indians. What has this got to do with how the Brits are responsible for Indians not following it? Or how our culture "was destroyed" by them?<BR/><BR/>Ravi: Imperialism? Good lord, where on Earth did that come from? No, I advocated the survival of the fittest - and if you would notice, my good sir, so does Mother Nature.<BR/><BR/>Civilizations that are closed tend to wither away and die, those that spread mutate and evolve to survive. I'd strongly suggest that you read up a little more on the Roman civilization - lest you accuse me next of being a Nazi or worse.Metlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02285809167133345207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127403911783628302005-09-22T08:45:00.000-07:002005-09-22T08:45:00.000-07:00:):)Saravanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11345361200604762150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127403845188576692005-09-22T08:44:00.000-07:002005-09-22T08:44:00.000-07:00dude that was a good post - I completely agree wit...dude that was a good post - I completely agree with u :))Gnana Kirukanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18365733464560772801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127403760222980902005-09-22T08:42:00.000-07:002005-09-22T08:42:00.000-07:00Ok no use of talking to half baked guys who dont e...Ok no use of talking to half baked guys who dont even know about Sundara Kandam ..<BR/><BR/>It was directed by K.Bhagyaraj FYI!! Go see it before leaving comments!<BR/><BR/>I will never step my foot in ur blog!No more comments good bye!Gnana Kirukanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18365733464560772801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127403719474241112005-09-22T08:41:00.000-07:002005-09-22T08:41:00.000-07:00Good that Hanuman didn't participate in all those ...Good that Hanuman didn't participate in all those silly things, he used all his powers for the sake of Rama, The supreme.<BR/><BR/>I suggest my Blog to you man. Its the oven to bake you ;>Saravanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11345361200604762150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127403512670958092005-09-22T08:38:00.000-07:002005-09-22T08:38:00.000-07:00Going by the things - u wuld start claiming that H...Going by the things - u wuld start claiming that Hanuman was a long jumper and got the first gold medal for jumping across the ocean to Lanka!<BR/><BR/>IT wuld be great if u can suggest me a good oven so that I can bake myself properly unlike u!Gnana Kirukanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18365733464560772801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127403378807915142005-09-22T08:36:00.000-07:002005-09-22T08:36:00.000-07:00anyways Hanuman didn't fly by the bridge ... He Ju...anyways Hanuman didn't fly by the bridge ... He Jumped across the ocean. Ref: sundara kandam of Ramayana.<BR/><BR/>Arjuna I think its high time you go sit inside a oven and bake yourself completely.Saravanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11345361200604762150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127403340142360282005-09-22T08:35:00.000-07:002005-09-22T08:35:00.000-07:00Yes my master - ur enlightening me with ur so call...Yes my master - ur enlightening me with ur so called blogs! And these poor readers got to read urs and more than that comment on them!! Poor things!Gnana Kirukanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18365733464560772801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127403247057734912005-09-22T08:34:00.001-07:002005-09-22T08:34:00.001-07:00yeah y not - I am the only fool around to read ur ...yeah y not - I am the only fool around to read ur stupid blogs :(Gnana Kirukanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18365733464560772801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127403245039812472005-09-22T08:34:00.000-07:002005-09-22T08:34:00.000-07:00Oh ya Arjuna ... For teaching you the meaning of I...Oh ya Arjuna ... For teaching you the meaning of Infatuation to you infatuated fools, I will continue blogging. Yu dare read my blog .. gods sake become wiseSaravanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11345361200604762150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127403217820001992005-09-22T08:33:00.000-07:002005-09-22T08:33:00.000-07:00Hello Mr Saravana - this shows that u havent read ...Hello Mr Saravana - this shows that u havent read anything properly - ur half baked guy !!<BR/><BR/>Didnt u know that hanuman flied to Lanka?Shows how ignorant u are - Shame on u!Gnana Kirukanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18365733464560772801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127403121802150662005-09-22T08:32:00.000-07:002005-09-22T08:32:00.000-07:00thanx for the compliment ... you are the first guy...thanx for the compliment ... you are the first guy to say I'm brainy :)Saravanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11345361200604762150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127403057612726102005-09-22T08:30:00.001-07:002005-09-22T08:30:00.001-07:00What the heck! How dare u use terms such as infatu...What the heck! How dare u use terms such as infatuated! Do u know the meaning of it? If u dont know the answer to my questions - quit blogging and rest ur face onto a pillow and sleep! Y the heck do u waste my time and meltin, nazi's time? huh?Gnana Kirukanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18365733464560772801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127403040013027572005-09-22T08:30:00.000-07:002005-09-22T08:30:00.000-07:00Ohh dumb Arjuna, do you think people fly on the br...Ohh dumb Arjuna, do you think people fly on the bridges.Saravanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11345361200604762150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127402931812782442005-09-22T08:28:00.001-07:002005-09-22T08:28:00.001-07:00Saravana - how intelligent u are! U r so brainy! G...Saravana - how intelligent u are! U r so brainy! Go learn basics first! Rama didnt build road - he built a bridge! I am talking about a road!! Get that into ur dumb head for heaven's sake!Gnana Kirukanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18365733464560772801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127402919835707932005-09-22T08:28:00.000-07:002005-09-22T08:28:00.000-07:00Ohh Cmon better Accept you are an Ignorant folk Ar...Ohh Cmon better Accept you are an Ignorant folk Arjuna ... The brits have sure infatuated youSaravanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11345361200604762150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12971220.post-1127402819986513042005-09-22T08:26:00.000-07:002005-09-22T08:26:00.000-07:00Arjuna - haven't you read of Rama, who build a roa...Arjuna - haven't you read of Rama, who build a road from India to Srilanka. Did the britishers teach Rama how to build the road.<BR/><BR/>Train is one more means of transport man.<BR/><BR/>True Indians didn't understand what to eat before the brits came here. Only after the brits showed the Indians bread, we started Eating.Saravanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11345361200604762150noreply@blogger.com